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Far Cough
7:12 Sun Sep 9
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I always thought all embryos were male and it was the mans sperm that changed it to female?
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SurfaceAgentX2Zero
6:53 Sun Sep 9
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WCO
No, mate. They don't. They start life with a human generic blueprint. They are not anything. Only gaylord quacks pretend they are female.
If you want to offer nipples in your favour, I'll answer clit.
You're obviously a fucking pansy weirdo as is obvious from your other posts on this thread.
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Worst Case Ontario
3:34 Sun Sep 9
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Surface -
You are incorrect I'm afraid. All human embryos begin life as female, and the "jump" happens later.
Coffee -
I appreciate your response. It deserves more thought that I'm able to give at this very moment, but I will do so later today.
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ohgodno
2:33 Sun Sep 9
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SurfaceAgentX2Zero 10:28 Sun Sep 9
The same blueprint would produce the same person. That's the point of fucking blueprints you fucking spanner.
Each person has a unique genome and each genome produces a unique individual. Usually people have an XY or XX set up. Usually XX or XY would produce a predictable phenotype. But neither things are always the case.
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lewisnadasurf1
1:46 Sun Sep 9
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1. Does gay refer only to males? Can you be a lesbian and gay? (I thought you could.)
Gay means gay as in liking opposite sex.
2. Does transgender refer to sexual preference? Or does it just mean that transgender people feel themselves to be the opposite gender of what they were born as? Can you be born a male, become transgender, but still be sexually attracted to women?
No. It’s not identifying as the sex you were born.
You can infact be born a man, feel to be a woman but then fancy men still. Of course.
3. Queer. What's the difference between gay/lesbian and queer?
Queer is just a slang expression for a homosexual.
4. What does the plus thing mean?
Today I am identifying myself as a toasty maker. Tomorrow I might idenfty as a trans gender duck. That’s the plus.
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Coffee
12:03 Sun Sep 9
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Worst Case Ontario 2:45 Sun Sep 9
That's a thoughtful post, but I wonder if you're perhaps tying yourself into unnecessary knots?
Hormones control a child's body as it enters puberty and develops the physical characteristics of either a male or female. Those hormones control sexual behaviour and urges, be they straight or gay. Either way, they also determine a person's gender identity, I suppose. Is it really possible to have all the male hormones flowing a man, but for that man to then consider himself a woman (regardless of sexual inclination)? I find that hard to fathom, but would allow for the possibility in rare instances.
What actually determines gender identity? A large part is presumably cultural, i.e. conforming with cultural expectations of the role, appearance and behaviour of a man or woman. Everyone is certainly entitled to rebel against those expectations as part of a wider attempt to change them in line with contemporary mores. But to my understanding that's not the same as a man identifying as a woman or wanting to become a woman, however much he or she would like it to be.
So what exactly is involved in becoming transgender? In what circumstances can it be judged as genuine, and when is it just a passing affectation?
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Coffee
11:47 Sun Sep 9
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"Where is the line drawn between "respect" and plain honesty, especially when health and general wellbeing is concerned?"
That is the question.
It shouldn't really be too hard to answer, but it apparently is.
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mashed in maryland
10:59 Sun Sep 9
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Ronald_antly 3:06 Sun Sep 9
The same question applies. Also who decides what is hostile/negative and what is just honest? We've literally just seen a situation where a male child sex offender got put in a women's prison because he said he identified as a woman. The justice system was that careful to "respect" him that this happened. Medical language is even changing in order to "include" trans people. Is this sensible just in order to protect a small number of people's feelings?
With regards to anorexia, how about the opposite? Obesity?
Tess Holliday graced the cover of Cosmo the other week. This is a woman who is very clearly not healthy (20 stone at 5'4") yet held up as an icon and role model by many. The argument is she's happy and beautiful and she loves herself and that's all that counts, and no one should criticise or ask questions.
Where is the line drawn between "respect" and plain honesty, especially when health and general wellbeing is concerned?
Should we also promote heroin addiction, as it's their choice and they're happy and beautiful regardless?
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onlyoneclydebest
10:41 Sun Sep 9
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It’s great,I can be as sexist as I like now,any complaints and I point out that I now ‘identify’ as a woman until I go back to ‘identifying as a man’
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SurfaceAgentX2Zero
10:28 Sun Sep 9
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Worst Case Ontario 2:45 Sun Sep 9
' we all actually change our physical sex once in our lives, in that we all begin as female.'
Utter rubbish.
Male and females babies start with the same genetic blueprint and then develop as male or females when the Y or X chromosome kicks in at about 7 weeks.
We could equally say all females start as men because they have a clitoris.
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retro
8:41 Sun Sep 9
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=skA8IAgUP6I
0.37
Lennon reversed
well i was not always a man
there was this other mother heart
that was my old one
You think we haven't been here before as both genders
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Ronald_antly
3:06 Sun Sep 9
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mashed in maryland 11:21 Sat Sep 8
The "respect" of a man's belief that he is a woman would extend ONLY to not engaging in any negative/hostile behaviour toward them.
I thought my post made the distinction between that, and indulging their mental disorder.
That is, they may consider themselves a member of the opposite sex, but will be bound by the rules/expectations applied to their physical sex.
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Worst Case Ontario
2:45 Sun Sep 9
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I think that's a fair question. I will try to give you a direct answer, or thought, anyway.
I think the issue of transgenderism is different as we all actually change our physical sex once in our lives, in that we all begin as female. I wonder if then there isn't some bio-chemical reason to explain why some people are transgender; could it be that some "normal" chemical process became upset, and that a developing fetus was either deprived of, or received too much of, some chemical, which caused the fetus' development to remain to some degree rooted in both sexes?
That hypothesis is persuasive to my mind as it does not deny there are some biological differences between the sexes.
The same cannot be said of race. No one changes from Caucasian to Asian in utero. Therefore, I do not believe there would be the same physiological explanation to, say, a white person self-identifying as Native American.
However, I generally do not see a problem with someone identifying with the culture of another race, as long as it is bona fide. For example, there are many here in Canada who have a great respect for Native culture, and do take part in aspects of it. Cultural appreciation and participation becomes cultural appropriation, and so, wrong, when it is not bona fide, such as in the titheads who go about on St. Patrick's Day acting the plastic paddy.
Gender* dysphoria (GD) differs from anorexia in that, though they are both mental disorders**, is that an essential element in the successful treatment of GD is actual transitioning to the identified sex; in short - allowing the patient to act on their beliefs is what frees them from their suffering. In contrast, anorexia cannot be so treated by respecting the "delusions" of the patient, and doing so would only lead to their physical and mental decline.
*I would prefer the term Sexual Dysphoria, as one could wish to act in some way not entirely confirming to the expectations of their gender, e.g. "tomboy" girls, but do still identify themselves as their biological sex.
**Not exactly the case any longer, at least not for GD, but I'll use shorthand here for the purpose of discussion
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Peterboroughiron
12:04 Sat Sep 8
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I think the lgbt communities suffer with a high proportion of attention seeking mentally ill fuckwits I’m sure there are millions of lbgt people who just go about their lives with out making a fuss and demanding that society changes everything to suit them
I’m sure most people really don’t give a fuck what they claim to be as long as they do it quietly
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mashed in maryland
11:21 Sat Sep 8
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"If someone wants to identify as a member of the opposite sex, then everyone should respect their right to do so"
Here's a question I've never got a straight (pardon the pun) answer to:
Where is the line drawn?
Is it just sex/gender?
What about race? If someone wants to identify as Native American or Aboriginal even if they're not? Are we all supposed to go along with it and not question it?
How about anorexia?
These people honestly believe they're fat, even when they aren't.
Is it society's duty to respect their beliefs and indulge their delusions and let them live as they want, even if that means starving themselves to death?
Or is there a stage where we say "hold on what the fuck are you doing" and intervene?
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penners28
11:15 Sat Sep 8
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My cousin is gay, and wont go to pride anymore. Says no one cares anymore so why the need to (ahem) force it down everyones throats.
Its like they actually want to be oppressed
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Mike Oxsaw
9:07 Sat Sep 8
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Society/Societies probably need to separate sex from gender before it/they can move on. Sex describing a person's physical attributes, gender the mental ones.
Dressing rooms, etc., can then be segregated by sex (physical characteristics) alone and what someone, personally, "Identifies as" doesn't come into it.
That's likely to be an "Earth is NOT the centre of the universe, and never was," process.
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Coffee
8:51 Sat Sep 8
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Ye of little faith.
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Ronald_antly
8:47 Sat Sep 8
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Unqualified agreement??
It must be a TRICK!
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Coffee
8:38 Sat Sep 8
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Spot on.
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Ronald_antly
8:25 Sat Sep 8
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If someone wants to identify as a member of the opposite sex, then everyone should respect their right to do so.
That said, they should reciprocate by respecting other people's right to recognise them as someone with a mental disorder, and NOT have to indulge them by allowing them to encroach into areas which are traditionally recognised as the domains of a single gender. E.g, changing rooms.
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